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my new grey bitch... got big plans for her if all goes well!
what ya's think???
DitchShitter
What's ye plans, mate?
oldskool
well, there hardly big plans but i'm hopin to get a litter of wheaten lurchers out of her if she works well... she got her first test on big quarry yesterday and she done well.. dont know whether to breed first crosses or 3/4's??
DitchShitter
oldskool wrote:
dont know whether to breed first crosses or 3/4's??
Not looking at me, are ye, mate??? I mean, I Seriously wouldn't have a clue!
Brian had that stunning looking Irish terrier cross bitch. Last I ever heard, she was doing alright by him. But that was years ago now and that was an Irish cross. To be brutally honest? I've never in my life met either an Irish or even a Wheaton!
What do the half a dozen people gagging to give the potential pups a home for life reckon? And if ye go with first cross? How many will want those to make their own 3/4 litters from? That's what I'd be asking myself, before I deliberately produced yet more lurkers in this bursting to over flowing world of them.
Sorry if that sounds a tad like erring towards 'disaproval' of ye notion. But I've personally seen about enough of what can become " A Dogs Life " and I've spoken to More than enough of the up and coming, internet fora and Chat inspired youngsters who ..... well, never mind what. Ye probably know as well as I do. It's getting to be like Lord of the f*cking Flys out there.
I've said before, publicly, that I reckon ye can talk a lot of sense. I hope ye not going to let the side down by banging out a litter of pups to just throw to the fora, just because ye'll be wanting an, as yet, undecided on cross for yeself. Even two. To keep the best one and ....? That still stands to leave four to six pups needing a home and a life, mate.
F*ck it. It sounds like I'm wagging the big finger. Swear to god I'd say the same thing if we were sitting here together though. Absolutely no offense. I just picked up on the 'I've got a cart! Now; Which horse can I get in between those shafts?' aspect.
Let's keep talking, eh?
oldskool
your dead right ditch and its nice to see someone that is'nt afraid to speak his mind... but here is the reason why i decided to breed my own and it's an honest answer, probably silly as feck, but it definatley honest!
i went looking for a wheaten lurcher pup and they seem to be a bit rare although there is plenty of pups with bits of wheaten here and there somewhere in they're make-up but not really, what i would see, as being a wheaten lurcher... then there is the yearlings (i visited 3 and one of them was closer to the age of 5) i have a lot of doubts about any dog thats being sold at a year old.. i personally wouldnt go to the effort of training a pup properly only to get rid of it at that age and its also hard to find any history on dogs of that age other than a strangers word... so after i lost heart i came across a greyhound bitch and it felt a bit like fate... so i thought i would work her and see if she proved useful enough to cross her to a proven wheaten or wheaten half cross...
you will rememeber the last litter i bred i got homed with a lot of patience and to be honest i think a few of them have sadly hit the doggy market and by now they have fell into the 'yearlings' category but this time i think i will cull the majority and only home 1 or 2 in the exchange for feedback, again sadly i think thats the only way?? i know when i asked if i should breed half's or 3/4 it may have made you think that "this fuckers breeding a litter just for the crack of it and the silly bugger doesnt even know what he wants" .... well, i'm only unsure because i have 2 types of terrain to hunt, one would suit a strong half cross well but he would be lost if i take him to my other ground to run hares etc. and the 3/4 would need to be a damn strongun to cope with where the half cross would be ideal.. i think my decision will come down to the sire i find and perhaps the ground i visit more often!!!
flippin hell lad, that took alot of effort to write and it seems to come easy to you... hope it makes sense and please give me your thoughts on it... i'm definately not easily offended
DitchShitter
Hullo, mate. Very HAPPY BIRTHDAY for today, incidentally, if I don't catch up with ye else where
Sorry about the gap. I've got a hell of a lot on my mind right now. I'm actually heading into the valley of negotiations on how the rest of my life's to go. That is a trifle distracting, I can tell ye! But never mind all that. Back to ye own quandry. Two heads are better than one 'n all that. Let's have another look:
Yeppers. Perfectly accept ye reasoning for not buying in a Ready Ruined Dog. Absolutely. And, let's face it; The vast majority of lurkers out there will be just that, else they wouldn't Be for sale. As ye say. Too many teenage internet hero's. That's the problem. Silly little mates breeding their rabbit catching wonder Dogs to their dinny mates same. Anyway .....
Half or 3/4 cross? Half cross is going to throw some f*cking monsters, isn't it? Could end up with a mess of hairy pit bulls! Eight pups. Whack six with a hammer. Sit and watch the other two develope till ye decide which of those gets it next? Harder man than me, mate.
No. I'd naturally err to the 3/4. That way ye'll end up with at least the bulk of them being useful looking Dogs. Odd throw back emerges? Well ...
Then again, who's to say ye won't get ye rocket and something else just that bit more regressive that it could become ye 'other' Dog? See what I'm saying though? Doing the Plummer and working this out in the dust of a motors roof; With a half cross, ye'd be looking for that one specimen that shines. And bloody well hoping it's in there! Where as 3/4 could throw ye a nice litter and with a bit of luck something a bit bonier which ye'd also want to keep back. But a damn site more of whats left would have the physical makings of usable lurkers. See?
But now, to put even That under the microscope; I have a centrefire rifle. I'd Like a shotgun, air rifle and air pistol too. Why? Because the rifle's for long range shooting of small to medium sized shit. Air rifle would be for rats around my compound. Pistol for things in cage traps. Shotgun for medium sized things in snares and such.
See? Can't go firing a full bore rifle at a snared fox on stone laden ground. So on and so forth. Every gun I'd Like to have would fill a very genuine and necessary role. I'm scared to death of actually catching a live mink because I actually have no way of despatching it!
Can you, hand on heart and looking in a mirror, Really pronounce that ye Must have two Dogs for two different bits of ground? Hmm? When I was active with lurkers we just tended to have " Our Dog ". And that Dog, for better or for worse, was normally The Dog we'd be known for. He'd take what we needed him to take. Where we found it for the taking. He'd be what they now call an " Allrounder ", but we'd accept his limitations, such as they may have been.
My mates Dog could take rabbit to fallow deer and everything in between. Mine couldn't catch a hare. So what? Took f*cking roe deer! Only a small Dog anyway. Didn't disgust me that he couldn't get up on a hare and simply lacked the size to pull over a fallow. He could sniff out a hedgehog in cover though and guard me the moment I sat against a tree. How many Saluki blooded 3x3's could do that? See?
Fact that ye yalking about a Wheaton cross? Not that concerned with hares, are ye? If so, why on earth a WheatieBix?
Anyway. Come on. Let's open it up for further probing. What ye after with this / these Dogs? And what's this ground about that ye need a different Dog for each? Give me a bit more to go on.
Hey, and here's an irony for ye! If your age is really as I saw it elsewhere, that means I was liturally running lurkers before ye were born. Not trying to imply Any superiority of knowledge through that revelation. Just that, can't ye see it? My way of thinking, to you, really Would be " Old School "!
oldskool
mate i've been thinking long and hard about your post hence also my lack of reponse... the greyhound has been coming on so well that i think i'll just make do with her... she is now in heat and i have to say i am tempted but i'll leave it for another time... caught her first moggie the other day and made good shape... nabbed a few hares just before the end of the season and now that i take her on, what i call, the fenns lol.. she does fairly well and she doesnt hunt up just as much now... she doesnt seem to do to bad on the rocky hills of moneyneena either (real sheep shagger country)... i would like to breed a litter of 3/4's though, but i'll wait another year or so... i was told she was 2 but i think 5 would be more like it...
on a more important note, how's your form now mate??? is all well???
DitchShitter
Hey! She's not doing badly for a Grey, eh? Funny sorts of Dogs - er; I've met one or two in my time - Known them be the most intractable, windless, air headed buggers. Then I've known them leap onto a fallow's back and have it damn near dead before they both crashed to the ground. Seen them the size of wolfhounds and as small as whippets. God alone knows what the 'Breed Standard' must say about them? Fact is, I s'pose; Ye just never can tell.
Glad she's keeping ye occupied anyway
How's me? Much the same old, mate. Back there was a blip on the radar. Now it's back to waiting. Only with drasticly dimminished expectations. Hey ho.
Dogs are all happy and healthy. That's the most important thing by me. Someone showed me a Rescue site the other day. I glanced at the Terriers section - just to get me away from the Bull 'n Terriers they were showing me. I've done my time with those.
Spotted an old Dog there they call " Crumble ". Old. Lame. F*cked. Just looking for a warm bed. Good meal. Daily stroll and an easy lifes ending. FFS
Only he's way down in Limmerick and I don't want any " Animal Welfare " type outfits sniffing round here and knowing where I am. Damn shame.
Not looking at me, are ye, mate??? I mean, I Seriously wouldn't have a clue!
.... well, i'm only unsure because i have 2 types of terrain to hunt, one would suit a strong half cross well but he would be lost if i take him to my other ground to run hares etc. and the 3/4 would need to be a damn strongun to cope with where the half cross would be ideal.. i think my decision will come down to the sire i find and perhaps the ground i visit more often!!!
But never mind all that. Back to ye own quandry. Two heads are better than one 'n all that. Let's have another look:
Hey! She's not doing badly for a Grey, eh? Funny sorts of Dogs - er; I've met one or two in my time 
- Known them be the most intractable, windless, air headed buggers. Then I've known them leap onto a fallow's back and have it damn near dead before they both crashed to the ground. Seen them the size of wolfhounds and as small as whippets. God alone knows what the 'Breed Standard' must say about them? Fact is, I s'pose; Ye just never can tell.
